Wednesday, August 24, 2005

Iraq's new constitution

I was listening to a report earlier tonight about Iraq's new constitution and how it deals with 2 often conflicting worlds...........Islam and Western style Democracy.

For example, here are a couple things stated in the draft of the constitution:

"No law may contradict the principles of Islam"....then.....goes on to say "No law may contradict democratic standards...or essential rights and freedoms."

What about women? Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't Islam limit the rights of women?

I'm very interested in seeing how all this turns out.


At 12:06 AM , Blogger pappy said...

Yea, somehow I dont see it working. The two just dont mix.

At 6:24 AM , Blogger stuffle said...

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't Islam limit the rights of women?

My understanding is that it depends, and that most degradation of women in Islamic cultures is more cultural tradition justified by the Koran than it is anything that is actually justified by the Koran. We have the same type of history in our Christian society with people using the Bible to justify keeping the women-folk bare-foot and pregnant (or keeping the black-folk out in the cotton fields, or whatever).

This is my understanding from talking to a Muslim friend (who happens to be female) and some former co-workers. Thus, it reflects the attitudes of a certain group of Muslims, and may or may not have anything to do with the attitudes of the Muslim people in Iraq...

At 6:27 AM , Blogger stuffle said...

is more cultural tradition justified by the Koran than it is anything that is actually justified by the Koran

Um, that's a little confusing to say the least...

Let's try "is more cultural tradition that they try to justify with the Koran than it is anything that is actually justified by the Koran".

At 10:50 AM , Blogger Ranting Republican said...

An interesting question was proposed on the Glen Beck show yesterday morning about this saying that if this is the way the "New Iraq" is going to run its country - i.e., limiting the rights of women, and basically just being a pure Islamic State - was it worth it for us to go there?

I thought about this for a while, and while half the time I feel like the Iraqi's don't deserve their liberation because, come on, stand up for yourselves and fight - but the other half I think it was good we got Saddam out of there, and killed and/or captured thousands of terrorists and insurgents. What do you guys think?

At 11:52 AM , Blogger pappy said...

The problem is that there is no John Adams or John Hancock there. You need people like them first.

At 12:09 PM , Blogger Tori said...

As long as there isn't mass geocide and death, then Iraq will be better off. Their way of life may not be as wonderful and free as ours here, but at least they won't be so fearful of a dictator who rapes, tortures and kills for shits and giggles.

At 12:20 PM , Blogger fetching jen said...


(from UN News)

Nearly a quarter of a million Iraqis of all ethnic and religious groups have taken part in meetings to help draft their country's new constitution, despite security challenges and problematic day-to-day living conditions, a preliminary United Nations report issued today said.

"This is nothing short of extraordinary when difficult living, transportation and communication facilities are exacerbated by an equally demanding security situation," it said of the schedule of meetings during the run-up to the 15 August deadline to complete the draft.

Tallying the participation so far at more than 220,000 people, the report said: "The United Nations salutes the bravery of Iraqis who have often risked their lives in order to contribute to the constitutional process."

As the Special Representative of the Secretary-General (SRSG), Ashraf Qazi, released the report he added: "We applaud the efforts of local civil society organizations and the Constitutional Drafting Committee (CDC) to make the constitutional process more transparent."

The highlights included radio and television debates. A conference of 1,500 imams and a forum of non-governmental organizations (NGOs) which had distributed questionnaires on federalism, Shari'a law and women's rights. In these venues members of the CDC and the Transitional National Assembly listened to people's views, the report said.

"Women's groups have been particularly active, with literally dozens of conferences demonstrating that, although they have a great variety of views, Iraqi women have a common aspiration to increase their level of participation in politics," it said.

In the last several weeks, addressing "important gaps in the activity," the CDC also met with some 20,000 participants in the north-eastern Anbar, Ninevah and Saleh al-Din governorates, where there had been "a hunger for information," it said.

we'll see


At 12:41 PM , Blogger Tori said...

lets cross our fingers and hope that it works!


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