Wednesday, November 02, 2005

Speak for yourself



So apparently today marks the one year anniversary of President Bush's Re-election and there are Anti-War and Anti-Bush protests all over the place. I know I saw a sign for it when I was visiting my alma mater last week. Look how ridiculous these people look!!!
If you're looking to shed a few unwanted pounds, go to their website World Can't Wait and you'll surely be disgusted and lose your appetite.

What pisses me off is that these morons, who are probably barely educated at all, are encouraging middle school and high school students to ditch class and come to these rallies!! As a teacher, I find this to be absolutely absurd and deplorable. Middle schoolers? COME ON people! I was still playing with Barbies and fascinated with Duck Hunt in middle school. Has the curriculum shifted so much from geography and our founding fathers to foreign policy and Anti-Bush rhetoric? (knowing some of my fellow educators, this wouldn't suprise me). These people are encouraging 5th and 6th graders to leave the relative safety of their school buildings to go out unsupervised in a situation where things could potentially get out of hand? (That's saying they actually have people at these demonstrations). I don't understand how asking kids to ditch class will help boot out the Bush Regime.

This is what they say on the website word for word:

High and Middle School Students: Walk-out, skip school!

Whatever, kids will ditch, not because of their seething anger and outrage over the War in Iraq, but rather to GET OUT OF SCHOOL! I have students faking stomaches all the time. Okay, rant off.

This is the kind of garbage this website is crammed full of balls deep:

Your government, on the basis of outrageous lies, is waging a murderous and utterly illegitimate war in Iraq, with other countries in their sights.

Your government is openly torturing people, and justifying it.

Your government puts people in jail on the merest suspicion, refusing them lawyers, and either holding them indefinitely or deporting them in the dead of night.

Your government is moving each day closer to a theocracy, where a narrow and hateful brand of Christian fundamentalism will rule.

Your government suppresses the science that doesn't fit its religious, political and economic agenda, forcing present and future generations to pay a terrible price.

Your government is moving to deny women here, and all over the world, the right to birth control and abortion.

Your government enforces a culture of greed, bigotry, intolerance and ignorance.

People look at all this and think of Hitler — and they are right to do so. (They've been listening to Dick Durbin too much....my God) The Bush regime is setting out to radically remake society very quickly, in a fascist way, and for generations to come. We must act now; the future is in the balance. Millions and millions are deeply disturbed and outraged by this (but there are millions and millions who support President Bush). They recognize the need for a vehicle to express this outrage, yet they cannot find it; politics as usual cannot meet the enormity of the challenge, and people sense this. ("people", speak for yourself...replace "people" with moonbats)

There is not going to be some magical "pendulum swing." People who steal elections (here we go again, get some new material, that was almost 6 years ago!) and believe they're on a "mission from God" will not go without a fight. (whats so horrible about that? Better than being on a jihad from Allah) There is not going to be some savior from the Democratic Party. This whole idea of putting our hopes and energies into "leaders" who tell us to seek common ground with fascists and religious fanatics is proving every day to be a disaster, and actually serves to demobilize people. (wow, so these people don't even like democrats? maybe they aren't so bad...so who would they have lead this country, Cindy Sheehan? Maybe Saddam?)

But silence and paralysis are NOT acceptable. That which you will not resist and mobilize to stop, you will learn — or be forced — to accept. There is no escaping it: the whole disastrous course of this Bush regime must be STOPPED. And we must take the responsibility to do it.

And there is a way. We are talking about something on a scale that can really make a huge change in this country and in the world. We need more than fighting Bush's outrages one at a time, constantly losing ground to the whole onslaught. We must, and can, aim to create a political situation where the Bush regime's program is repudiated, where Bush himself is driven from office, and where the whole direction he has been taking society is reversed. We, in our millions, must and can take responsibility to change the course of history. (good luck with that...must be nice to have all this spare time to change the course of history. While you're changing history I'll be working and help pay for your welfare sucking asses.)

To that end, on November 2, the first anniversary of Bush's "re-election", we will take the first major step in this by organizing a truly massive day of resistance all over this country. People everywhere will walk out of school, they will take off work, they will come to the downtowns and town squares and set out from there, going through the streets and calling on many more to JOIN US. They will repudiate this criminal regime, making a powerful statement: "NO! THIS REGIME DOES NOT REPRESENT US! AND WE WILL DRIVE IT OUT!"

November 2 must be a massive and public proclamation that WE REFUSE TO BE RULED IN THIS WAY. November 2 must call out to the tens of millions more who are now agonizing and disgusted. November 2 will be the beginning — a giant first step in forcing Bush to step down (yeah, a few dirty crying hippies will do that), and a powerful announcement that we will not stop until he does so — and it will join with and give support and heart to people all over the globe who so urgently need and want this regime to be stopped.

This will not be easy. If we speak the truth, they will try to silence us. If we act, they will to try to stop us. (yeah, damn that CONSERVATIVE PRO-BUSH MEDIA thats always trying to silence the naysayers). But we speak for the majority, here and around the world, and as we get this going we are going to reach out to the people who have been so badly fooled by Bush and we are NOT going to stop.

The point is this: history is full of examples where people who had right on their side fought against tremendous odds and were victorious. And it is also full of examples of people passively hoping to wait it out, only to get swallowed up by a horror beyond what they ever imagined. The future is unwritten. WHICH ONE WE GET IS UP TO US.

These next days are crucial. The call you are reading has to get out to millions right away — on the internet, passed out as flyers in communities, published as ads in newspapers. DO NOT WAIT!! GET ORGANIZED!! If you agree with this statement, add your name to it!!! And do more than that: send it to friends, get them to sign it, organize a meeting, take it to your church, your school, your union, your health club, your barber shop, to concerts and libraries and family gatherings, everywhere you go. Raise money, lots of money. Get people together, make plans to be there on November 2, and to build for it.

People like these douchbags are not worth dying for.....I wouldn't even want to breathe the same air or share the same time zone with these people. Its a good thing our beloved (by me anyways) soldiers are fighting and dying over there so the terrorists will not attack us here.....where MOST of us are good, upstanding, logical, loving Americans. I say take this whole group, fly them over to Baghdad, and give them oozies and point them at American Soldiers....b/c thats essentially what they are doing by constantly badmouthing our country and the War on Terrorism. Might as well shoot our boys right in the head and save a step.

49 Comments:

At 5:51 PM , Blogger Mahndisa S. Rigmaiden said...

11 02 05

TT:
I will plug your post for tmws viewing!

 
At 5:51 PM , Blogger Mahndisa S. Rigmaiden said...

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At 5:52 PM , Blogger Tori said...

tmws? Whats that?

 
At 6:05 PM , Blogger Ranting Republican said...

"tmws?" I dont know what that is either...

On the post -

In an argument, sometimes I'll just give whoever I'm arguing with the "illegitimate war" argument...I wholeheartedly disagree with that concept, but let's play Devil's Advocate for a minute...

So 9/11 - Al Qeada/Saddam connection aside; let's look at some other quick facts...

1. The Attack After 9/11 - Does anyone remember the anthrax attacks? People were afraid to open their mail. I received a teddy bear from a friend for my birthday but it had no card or anything, just showed up in a brown box - I named it Anthrax because my roommate made me leave it outside for two days because she was afraid it was stuffed with anthrax. Who had the largest stockpile of anthrax in the world? Iraq.

2. Assassination attempt on President Bush Sr - Saddam tried to assassinate George H! When one country tries to kill the President of another country - umm...Saddam should have been removed and/or killed right then and there. Or if not removed or killed, recognized that Saddam was a threat to the United States. Duh.

3. 14 UN Resolutions - yah - I don't really need to get into this, do I?

4. Oil - (leave the Halliburton comments at home please) even if we were only in Iraq for their oil - which we haven't touched - but even if we were, isn't it better that we have the oil than the bad guys? And by bad guys, I mean Saddam and his lackies who give money and supplies to Al Qeada? Even if you hate Bush - come on, who would you trust more with that oil?

5. WMDs - Saddam had, and used, WMDs on his own people - what in the hell is to stop him from using them on us - or give them to Al Qeada do use on us? He had biological and chemical weapons. Where are they now? Probably down Sandy Berger's pants. Or moved to other countries - they had plenty of time to do this. Not to mention that the vast majority of Democrat Senators agreed with the President that Saddam had WMDs. Not to mention Clinton, while in office, said Saddam was a threat with WMDs. Not to mention that Clinton bombed the Intelligence Center in Baghdad at night and killed the cleaning staff...anyone remember that too?

Come on people...work with me here.

So, even giving

 
At 6:06 PM , Blogger The Watchful One said...

"Its a good thing our beloved (by me anyways) soldiers are fighting and dying over there so the terrorists will not attack us here....."

So, how does the US occupation of Iraq prevent terrorists from attacking the US?

The 9/11 attacks were planned and perpetrated by a very small number of people, were they not? Do you honestly believe that Al Qaeda is so pinned down in Iraq that it can't attack the US?

TWO

 
At 6:07 PM , Blogger The Watchful One said...

"I say take this whole group, fly them over to Baghdad, and give them oozies and point them at American Soldiers....b/c thats essentially what they are doing by constantly badmouthing our country and the War on Terrorism. Might as well shoot our boys right in the head and save a step."

Is your beef against a particular group of protestors or protest in general? Do you think that the American public should go along with government policy all the time?

TWO

 
At 6:13 PM , Blogger Ranting Republican said...

Forgot one - and this actually answers TWO's first comment as well...

For those of you who believe that Iraq was not a terrorist state before the coalition's occupation, even if it was not then, it is now. That said, if nothing else we're baiting them and killing them over there, so we don't have to do it over here. So they go over to Iraq from whatever country they are in - great - at least we know where to find them and we can kill them.

 
At 6:14 PM , Blogger The Watchful One said...

"5. WMDs - Saddam had, and used, WMDs on his own people - what in the hell is to stop him from using them on us - or give them to Al Qeada do use on us?"

What is to stop North Korea from giving WMD to terrorists?

Was Iraq under Saddam a threat? Yes, Iraq under Saddam was a threat, but it was not the kind of unique threat which required a mad rush to war and a costly occupation.

TWO

 
At 6:20 PM , Blogger Tori said...

particular group of protestors

 
At 6:21 PM , Blogger The Watchful One said...

"For those of you who believe that Iraq was not a terrorist state before the coalition's occupation, even if it was not then, it is now. That said, if nothing else we're baiting them and killing them over there, so we don't have to do it over here. So they go over to Iraq from whatever country they are in - great - at least we know where to find them and we can kill them."

Yeah. Baiting terrorists in Iraq sure worked out amazingly well for Spain, London, and Bali. Right.

Baiting terrorists is a horrible plan. The insurgents may be barbarians, but they are smart enough to know not to engage the US military head on.

By the way, what gives us the right to use Iraq as a battlefield in the war against terror?

TWO

 
At 6:28 PM , Blogger Ranting Republican said...

Because they are, have been, and will continue to be a threat to us.

And sure North Korea may be a threat as well, and could easily give WMDs to Al Qeada, but they don't share the same religious beliefs and animosity, no not even animosity, but hatred for western civilizations as Iraq and other Islamic states do. And there isn't any documentation (that I'm aware of) that North Korea has given supplies, and money to Al Qeada, whereas Saddam and Iraq harbored terrorists, and supplied them. So there is a big difference there.

Second, we have captured or killed thousands, tens of thousands of Al Qeada in Iraq - whether they were there before we got there, or came after, they're dead. If they are dead, we are safer. I'm not saying we're going to get every single last one of these bastards in Iraq, but the fact that we haven't had another attack here on American soil, shows that our intelligence is stronger, and they do not have the capabilities to pull off an attack here. Being that Europe is connected to the Mideast - it's easier for them to pull off attacks over there - so they will.

Fighting them over there is better than fighting them over here. Will you stipulate?

 
At 8:58 PM , Blogger Little Miss Chatterbox said...

Tori: Very well said!! You and RR need to go to Rebecca's latest post on Revka's Take. James and Adrianne are spewing a bunch of stuff. I gave a detailed response to some of their comments. But I know both of you have even more detailed info to throw at them.

 
At 9:31 PM , Blogger Ranting Republican said...

will check it out tomorrow chatterbox :) bedtime for me.

 
At 10:20 PM , Blogger ImMikeJones said...

TORI,

Were you playing Duck Hunt in middle school? I thought you were the georpolitical Doogie Howser? We had this argument before when you were talking about how much you supported our troops but disagreed with Clinton in Somalia? Weren't you that concerned 11 year old? Or were you the Duck Hunter? I seem to recall us having this conversation before. You lie lie lie...

 
At 10:24 PM , Blogger ImMikeJones said...

RR-

Did you just use the word "stipulate" in your law school class? Can't you just say "do you agree?" Will you stipulate that bringing lawyer speak to a blog is DORKY?

 
At 7:53 AM , Blogger stuffle said...

Is your beef against a particular group of protestors or protest in general?

Personally, I think most protestors are just plain stupid. This applies equally to liberal hippie commie protesters like this as it does to the whack jobs outside abortion clinics screaming "baby killers!!".

All of them basically walk around shouting amazingly idiotic slogans and carrying signs with amazingly shallow, vapid expressions written on them.

A lot of times, the protest is just an excuse for a bunch of childish idiots to go out in public and act like obnoxious morons (witness the dumb-asses in black masks who tend to cause problems around the G8 summits).

We had a group of protestors here in Milwaukee try to shout down John Kerry when he came to speak. They are equally as out of line and idiotic as the morons who try to shout down GWB when he comes to speak.

Do you think that the American public should go along with government policy all the time?

Nope. However, I do think they should voice their disagreement in a more constructive way. Well written letters to the editor, well written blog posts, writing their public officials, etc.

Acting like a bunch of turds in public does not really get anyone to listen to them (except for fellow protestors). Rather it just gets poeple to shake their heads and laugh at them. Or worse, starts counter-protests.

Anyhow, that is my take on protestors...

 
At 8:53 AM , Blogger Eddie said...

Stuffle,
It's just too many people with too much time on their hands.

 
At 9:12 AM , Blogger Tori said...

have any of you ever protested anything?

I have gone out to protest and piss off protesters. In college there were anti-Wal Mart and anti-Capitalism demonstrations so our college republican groups, and the Free Trade groups came and picketed on the other side.

Now that I'm in the real world working a lot, I don't have time to do things like that.

 
At 9:14 AM , Blogger Tori said...

mikejones- like I said before, I can be knowledgable about a topic that happened before I was old enough.....i.e. civil war, declaration of independence.

 
At 9:16 AM , Blogger Eddie said...

Tori, I haven't protested, but I have given the birdie to protestors protesting KFC and union members on strike. I am just too familiar with their tactics to feel any sympathy for them, and want to let them know what I really think of them.

I think it throws them back a bit when they see people not involved in the situation really don't agree with them at all. They never expect it. They sometimes need a dose of the real word.

There were Kerry visits in Milwaukee where a massive swath of Bush supporters showed up and I watched it on the news. It was hilarious and it made me so proud of my boys and girls to bully right back at those lefties.

 
At 9:17 AM , Blogger Eddie said...

Tori, I love Wal-Mart. If I could, I would go there everyday. I love Chinese made products.

 
At 9:21 AM , Blogger The Watchful One said...

"Second, we have captured or killed thousands, tens of thousands of Al Qeada in Iraq - whether they were there before we got there, or came after, they're dead."

Tens of thousands? Where are you getting your numbers? Why throw out a number like that?

The Iraq insurgency is estimated to be about 20,000 strong. Only a small percentage of that 20,000 are foreign terrorists.

"Fighting them over there is better than fighting them over here. Will you stipulate?"

To say that fighting the terrorists in Iraq means that we don't have to fight them here in the US is as dangerous as it is untrue.

One might be able to argue that fighting the terrorists in Iraq slightly lessens the chances of an attack on the US, but I doubt even that is true. According to the CIA, Iraq has become the primary recruiting and training tool for terrorist organizations. The attacks in Spain and London may have been the fruit of that recruiting and training.

The fact of the matter is that US efforts in Iraq have made the world more dangerous, not safer. By invading Iraq, a country which, according to our own White House, had nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks, the US has alienated not only her allies, but much of the moderate Arab and Muslim world.

TWO

 
At 9:29 AM , Blogger The Watchful One said...

"Tori, I haven't protested, but I have given the birdie to protestors protesting KFC and union members on strike. I am just too familiar with their tactics to feel any sympathy for them, and want to let them know what I really think of them."

You just randomly flipped off union guys on strike just because they were union guys? Did you bother to find out why they were striking before you passed judgement on them?

The labor unions in America are far from perfect, but anyone who thinks that working world would be better off without them is dreaming. Without the labor unions, business would fall back into the same unfair mangement practices of the days before the labor unions.

TWO

 
At 9:29 AM , Blogger stuffle said...

have any of you ever protested anything?

Nope. Generally have had better things to do. OTOH, I have written letters to congressmen, etc.

I have gone out to protest and piss off protesters. In college there were anti-Wal Mart and anti-Capitalism demonstrations so our college republican groups, and the Free Trade groups came and picketed on the other side.

Yeah, I bet that was productive...

The best thing to do with protestors is ignore them. As soon as they don't get attention, they will leave (just like any other child).

 
At 9:32 AM , Blogger stuffle said...

There were Kerry visits in Milwaukee where a massive swath of Bush supporters showed up and I watched it on the news. It was hilarious and it made me so proud of my boys and girls to bully right back at those lefties.

Yup. Those would be the idiots I was talking about when I said this: "We had a group of protestors here in Milwaukee try to shout down John Kerry when he came to speak. They are equally as out of line and idiotic as the morons who try to shout down GWB when he comes to speak."

I don't support juvenile, boorish behavior regardless of which side is responsible for it.

 
At 9:33 AM , Blogger The Watchful One said...

"Personally, I think most protestors are just plain stupid. This applies equally to liberal hippie commie protesters like this as it does to the whack jobs outside abortion clinics screaming "baby killers!!"."

One can only wonder how much higher the casualty figures of the Vietnam war would have climbed had people not protested that war.

TWO

 
At 9:33 AM , Blogger Eddie said...

TWO,
I may not have valid reasons to flip them the birdie, but the fact that they called the police on a girlfriend I had once just b/c she was management and had to work and drive through the picket line and made up some total BS story about her, and she cried about it, is enough for me to permanently hold a grudge. Childish yes, typical of unions, yes.

 
At 9:35 AM , Blogger stuffle said...

One can only wonder how much higher the casualty figures of the Vietnam war would have climbed had people not protested that war.

One only wonder how much more successful we would have been had we actually fought it as a war from the start and not worried about the politicaly ramifications thoughout the whole thing...

 
At 9:38 AM , Blogger The Watchful One said...

"One only wonder how much more successful we would have been had we actually fought it as a war from the start and not worried about the politicaly ramifications thoughout the whole thing..."

Yeah, right. We lit up Vietnam with napalm because we were worried about the political ramifications of using force. Please.

There was nothing to be won in Vietnam.

TWO

 
At 9:50 AM , Blogger stuffle said...

Yeah, right. We lit up Vietnam with napalm because we were worried about the political ramifications of using force. Please.

No, we failed to use enough force in Vietnam, especially in the begining stages of the war. I believe part of this is because we were worried about political ramifications at home.

By the time we did start using enough force, the war was a mess.

 
At 9:54 AM , Blogger stuffle said...

Eddie - sounds like a good enough reason to me. There is nothing more obnoxious than certain picket lines.

I have no problem with workers picketing, but when they start to hamper the progress of workers attempting to get to work (including scabs and management), I think they have crossed the line.

My little union story - When I was a kid, there was a teacher's strike. They chose to picket outside the school in front of the busses, and to try to give their propaganda to the kids. At the end of that school year we moved because my parents "thought the schools were not very good". Later in life it hit me that what they really meant is that they didn't like the teachers behaving in such a childish manner.

 
At 9:56 AM , Blogger stuffle said...

I think they have crossed the line

Ha! The pun was not intentional, but I found it funny...

 
At 10:12 AM , Blogger The Watchful One said...

"No, we failed to use enough force in Vietnam, especially in the begining stages of the war."

More force? Against who? You speak as though insurgents and terrorists run around wearing brightly colored uniforms which clearly identify them.

Vietnam was lost for the same reason that Iraq will probably be lost... because conventional armies are, as history has clearly shown, more or less useless against insurgencies.

TWO

 
At 10:28 AM , Blogger Eddie said...

Wow, I leave for a while and this thread turns into a fight over Vietnam. As my mom put it best when I asked her about what she thought about Vietnam,
"I was too busy raising a young family to care about Vietnam."

Amen to that.

 
At 11:00 AM , Blogger Eddie said...

I miss the original Atari video game system my brother had when I was younger. The games were so generic and basic, but that's part of what made them a blast to play. One game was going through a grocery store, that was awesome. Even original nintendo games were fun. I remember paperboy being an awesome game to play. Since I was a paperboy, I could relate to many of the things going on.

 
At 12:08 PM , Blogger The Watchful One said...

Ugh... The game Paperboy was a quarter stealer. Then again, maybe I was just downright bad at it. I had trouble playing those isometrically rendered games like Paperboy or Zaxxon or Marble Madness. Stargate, I could do. Tempest, I could do. Zaxxon? Forget it.

By the way, you can play most of the classic arcade games on PC using now using MAME. The amazing thing is, MAME is not an adaptation of those old games... it uses the exact same code that the arcade games ran... So, if you have say Pacman on MAME, you are, for all intents and purposes, playing Pacman.

TWO

 
At 12:18 PM , Blogger Eddie said...

I typically play Miss Pacman when I visit a hotel. For some reason, almost all of them have some form of Pacman or another.

 
At 12:23 PM , Blogger Tori said...

marble madness is awesome

 
At 12:28 PM , Blogger The Watchful One said...

"marble madness is awesome"

Ha ha... You masochist.

I have MM on my PC. As difficult as it was using a track ball, it is even more difficult using a mouse or keyboard.

TWO

 
At 12:59 PM , Blogger Eddie said...

I will never stop loving Tetris for as long as I live.

 
At 3:00 PM , Blogger Ranting Republican said...

Tetris - now you're talkin' Eddie. I have no idea what those other games (obvsiously besides Pacman) are, but Tetris is fantastic. I can hear the music now :)

 
At 3:48 PM , Blogger Eddie said...

What about the Rubix cube? I saw this at Kmart a few weeks ago (yes, I am the only person left in America who shops there) and was tempted to buy one. However, I soon realized that I probably wouldn't have any more luck than when they first came out.

 
At 4:54 PM , Blogger The Watchful One said...

Rubix cube... I hate that thing. In fact, I hate the people who can solve the Rubix cube even more than the damn cube itself. LOL!

The most frustrating thing about the Rubix cube is that it lets you get close to the solution, but never quite there. Grr.

TWO

 
At 4:57 PM , Blogger Eddie said...

That's why I didn't buy it, TWO. OK, I must now go work out and go home and eat.

FOUR

 
At 7:22 PM , Blogger Gyrobo said...

I don't think you're understanding me- if you enable the word verification filter, then you will never get comment spam. If you leave it off, you put yourself at risk needlessly. You leave it off at your own peril.

--==/ I'm a genius \==--

 
At 12:28 AM , Blogger crossingguard69 said...

wow guys, you all started off with current events, then to the clinton era, then to vietnam and ATARI....you guys are wayyyyy too old

 
At 2:37 AM , Blogger Mahndisa S. Rigmaiden said...

11 04 05

Oh I am sorry TT:
tmw is shorthand for tomorrow. I actually attended the protest, as I work in the state building in SF. The protest was right across the way. I got pics (only three) of some commie signs and I got a video or two, except can't figure out how to load those! OK I will highlight your article though, because it is directly applicable to the topic of my post!

 
At 9:35 AM , Blogger Tori said...

GYROBO-

I know I leave myself open to spam but that stupid word verification gets on my nerves. Sometimes I can't even read it! So I'd rather not deal with it and delete the spam that trickles in from time to time.

 
At 11:35 AM , Blogger Eddie said...

Tori, I know what you mean about the word verification. It messes me up all the time, and the letters are way too crowded close to each other.

 

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