Wednesday, October 12, 2005

I dated a conspiracy theorist :O

So my last boyfriend is a liberal democrat (although he may disput that). Well, I checked his blog out today and found an interesting entry. I would like to link to it, however, I am trying to stay pretty much anonymous on this blog and his has pics of me on there. Sooooo, I hope he isn't mad but I am going to post his blog entry on here and let you guys have at it:

Ok, so I’ve spent roughly the last three hours reading various political blogs (doh, what was I thinking) because I am becoming increasingly possessed by the Plame / Leak scandal investigation that is close to a climax. In short, I thought it was time I looked into my crystal ball and made a few predictions. Those who know my past work, know that I correctly predicted the Iraqi war, although I did not correctly predict the associated implications of that war. However if I had looked more closely at the halliburton link, I think I might have guessed at some of the other implications.

Regardless, here are some additional predictions.
Regarding Fitzgeralds investigation, I’m operating under the assumption that there will be at least 2 indictments. The first will either by Libby or Rove. The second will, and this is a stretch, be Cheney. If there is only one indictment, it will be Libby, and it will be for something like “obstruction” or “Perjury”. However, if there is more than one indictment, then all bets are off. The second indictment will force Cheney out of the office of Veep, allowing Prez to nominate someone for the position. Although, health reasons might be the “official” reason for the departure from office. The next Veep will either be Guiliani or McCain. It will be the former if Bush expects to serve the remainder of his term without additional legal problems - and assuming he isn’t named as an unindicted co-conspirator. The latter nomination will be the result of some amount of concern that Bush will not be able to complete his term.


These are both potential presidential candidates, and in either situation, it gives them a huge head start over potential Democratic front runner Gore. Sounds nuts, right? You’ll think I’m even more nuts when I reveal Gore’s most likely running mate - Obama. I think we’d have 70% turnout among African Americans, and 90% in Illinois for that ticket.

Then what? Beyond that it really gets too fuzzy for me to predict. I am guessing that Fitzgerald will definately file charges stemming from his investigation. I am not so certain that he will have enough ammo to go after any of the senior positions in the white house. However, if you follow my line of thinking, it becomes a possibility.

1.) After Cooper @ Time revealed that Rove was *his* source, contradicting previous testimony, Rove offered up Libby in an effort to deflect almost certain criminal charges. Realizing that he was toast, Libby attempted to hide what he new by not releasing a personal waiver to Miller, while she sat in jail. Now, she has some role in this, and probably has something to hide as well, and I’m sure it relates back to the White House. But beyond that, once she got out, Fitzgerald used her testimony to disprove Whatever Libby had already told him.

2.) Libby, after being unsuccessful in his attempt to keep things covered up, realized his only way to avoid jail time was to start elaborating on previous conversations as part of the WHIG, among other things. This is what leads to Cheney. But then how far does it go from there? I’m not going to speculate on that part because there are some stunning implications.
For instance, following the above line of reasoning, some question of “motive” has to come up. Clearly that motive for Cheney is profit. Looking at others who possibly profited from a war in Iraq leads even further back, possibly all the way back to September 11th. This is bad news and explains a lot about the heel dragging of the september11th commission. I am NOT willing to go that far, but I know others will.

Even if you don’t go that far, if there is proof that Cheney orchestrated the discrediting of Joeseph Wilson regarding his trip to Niger, then there is some question to whether or not Cheney or Bush new that the intel they were working on as a lead up to Iraq was phoney ahead of time. If they new ahead of time, Bush might be on the hook for lying to congress at the state of the union. Now, again, that is like some wild leftwingnut conspiracy theory, but its worth speculating on because you KNOW that there are people out there who will try to take that line of reasoning as a way to get the President impeached.

I AM NOT in favor of leftwingnuts going after the president just because they don’t like him. I think that would be bad and just make life in this country worse. But forget all that and just know this: if we have a conspiracy charge, and the president is named as an unindicted co-conspirator, we will have a major economic and political crisis on our hands. If you follow me all the way to Cheney, then the reasoning behind bush being involved in the charges becomes a real possibility. (edit, the above paragraph is me being tired and getting too far down the pit of “conspiracy junkies”. I’ll leave it in, though.)

Fitzgerald began “cleaning up Chicago” Elliott Ness style by first going after little fish with minor connections to city government. He was able to flip little fish, and keep going up the chain of command, until he finally got in to charges against people in City Hall. Eventually even the Mayor will likely face some charges if the investigation continuess. I have a feeling that the same thing is happening here, but on a much larger scale. By flipping the people lower on the ladder, Fitzgerald is slowly working up to some pretty significant charges. My only concern is that there will be conspiracy charges, because those will be both hard to prove and fairly damaging to our economy (because political instability is generally bad for business.)

Now, Cheney has a good reason to retire before facing charges: he has lucrative stock options from his time at Halliburton, a deferred salary that he can’t collect on until after he is out of public office, oh, and its probably a lot less stressful to roll around in your scrooge-mcduck sized vault than it is to be the number 2 person in our Government. (note, this smacks of editorializing, but I can’t think of a better reason to retire than between 1 and 8 million dollars worth of deferred salary and stock options - especially if i’m having health problems which are made worse by stress).

I want to reitorate incase I wasn’t clear above: I think there will be charges because of the Plame leak and I think those charges will extend as far as the Veep’s office. I AM NOT advocating for anything that goes beyond what the evidence provides. I don’t want to see a witch hunt, I don’t want to see our president made a fool of because he either allowed a conspiracy to happen, or was part of one. But I do want to see Fitzgerald do his thing and just get the facts right.

Ultimately, all I want is a Charles-Dickens-Like resolution to this whole mess. (In Charles Dickens novels, no matter what, the “bad guys” always get their “come-uppance” by the end of the novel. And by “bad guys” I mean whoever it was that broke the law.)

52 Comments:

At 12:19 PM , Blogger The Watchful One said...

First, Bush, who Eddie considers a man of his word, suggested that he would fire anyone involved in the leaking of classified information. Then, after Rove was forced to admit his involvement in the Plame case, Bush shamelessly moved the goalpost by saying that he would fire anyone convicted of a crime. But Rove will never be convicted of crimes because just as Bush 41 pardoned Casper "The Unfriendly Ghost" Weinberger before his case went to court, so will Bush 43 pardon an indicted Rove before his trial goes to court.

TWO

 
At 12:58 PM , Blogger Eddie said...

Oh boy,

TWO has shown up again, this time to defend a whacko conspiracy theorist.

Anyway, Tori, how could you ever date this guy? I imagine your blood would boil. He's nutty, then on the other hand, he is a lefty.

I wonder if most liberals even know what "Haliburton" even does? The fact that he would even mention Gore as a candidate at all was cracking me up. Everyone knows the Dems eat their own and once you lose, you are thrown into the ash-heap of history, never to be supported by your party again.

The fact that he would put Barack Osama on the ticket was even more of a knee slapper. Gore/Osama '08, "The war on terror is not in Iraq, even though we found out about the threatened NYC subway bombing from our soldiers South of Baghdad."

 
At 1:54 PM , Blogger The Watchful One said...

Tori's former boyfriend is a conspiracy theorist? I don't know... It seems to me that Tori's former boyfriend is merely speculating on the news of the day.

More "conspiracy theories" from angry leftists...

The Wall Street Journal

 
At 2:20 PM , Blogger Eddie said...

Anyone who spouts off Haliburton this, Haliburton that is a conspiracy theorist, by definition. "Haliburton, Haliburton, Haliburton, (it's spelled with one l, by the way)" is not a persuasive argument for anything. They are what they are, a worldwide respected and sucessful oil services firm.

 
At 2:21 PM , Blogger Eddie said...

Tori calls him a conspiracy theorist herself in the title of this post.

 
At 3:37 PM , Blogger NewGnome said...

Tori, first let me congratulate you on dumping a conspiracy theorist fiberal (my word found on my blog "Accepting the MENSA challenge" a Washington Post challenge June 10, 2005 newsgnome.blogspot.com), I like you already.

Since were making predictions, I wouldn't leave out Miller and Cooper as potential targets. I predict Rove is off the hook and the fibs will go crazy. Libby will get a slap on the wrist because Plame's covert status was expired and most of the other charges will be dumped as trivial.

Go get-em teach...good blog NG

Adding your blog to the list.

 
At 3:49 PM , Blogger The Watchful One said...

"it's spelled with one l, by the way"

Actually, you're wrong...

Halliburton

TWO

 
At 4:24 PM , Blogger Eddie said...

ooopppsss, I know it's symbol by heart, though, HAL. God bless them!

 
At 4:38 PM , Blogger The Watchful One said...

"ooopppsss, I know it's symbol by heart, though, HAL. God bless them!"

The greed of Halliburton... One letter "l" was not enough!

:)

To be honest, I thought Halliburton was spelled with one "l" until not long ago.

TWO

 
At 5:01 PM , Blogger Tori said...

We did not break up because we have different political views. Sure it didn't help things but we did have some heated debates around election time.

I would LOVE a Gore/Obama ticket. Imagine the fun we could have?? Especially if we had Condi as a Veep candidate b/c that could help offset the black vote.

I'd rather have those two idiots than Hillary!

 
At 5:13 PM , Blogger Tori said...

I guess I should put in a retraction here......I suppose he's not a conspiracy theorist all the time.....but this is one of those times.

 
At 5:56 PM , Blogger The Watchful One said...

"I suppose he's not a conspiracy theorist all the time.....but this is one of those times."

Well, what is the conspiracy?

TWO

 
At 7:16 PM , Blogger Ranting Republican said...

has anyone read Condi v. Hillary yet? I'm really curious about it - I think I may jsut have to go buy it...but the thought of buying and reading more books when I've spent over $900 on books this semester is a little daunting...

Oh well - off to Barnes and Noble I go...or www.bn.com anyway...

 
At 8:19 AM , Blogger Eddie said...

Honestly, Condi vs. Hillary sounds really lame. The right will never, ever nominate a pro abortion candidate. They strike out just as soon as they reach South Carolina. The reliable base of this party is bible thumpers and always will be.

A better book to read that I heard about on CNBC last night, RR, was called "Millionaire Republican... How rich Republicans get richer and how you can become one..." Now that's a book worth my time!

 
At 8:56 AM , Blogger Ranting Republican said...

wow - no kidding. That book sounds good. I don't think Condi would be our top candidate, but I do think she would make a great VP. It's supposed to be a very interesting book though, Morris bases a lot of his theories on demographics and statistics - which I always like - and I guess the book starts as Hillary is being sworn into office. That part would likely make me lose my lunch, but the book still may be interesting - maybe I'll have to just wait for someone else to buy it and borrow it. Spending money on the Millionaire Repubican sounds pretty worthwhile though :)

 
At 9:55 AM , Blogger Eddie said...

He was actually a real cool guy. He talked about how Republicans take ownership of their lives, start their own businesses, and take ownership of their children's education, such as his three children are home schooled. He said he was laid off from his job and it was the best thing that happened to him as he started his own business and became wildly succesful. He said that's what it is like to think like a Republican. The others think like Democrats, stay poor and rely on social security to live at the end of the road.

 
At 11:00 AM , Blogger The Watchful One said...

Condi "no one could have predicted terrorists would use planes as missiles" Rice would be a terrible candidate and an even worse president.

TWO

 
At 11:07 AM , Blogger Eddie said...

Tori,

What you need to do is date a strong conservative Republican male. Since males tend to be more conservative to begin with in their political views (our hearts are cold), it shouldn't be too tough to find.

We are better boyfriends, have phatter stacks of cash, are more responsible, treat our women better, are saner, far more optimistic, happier, and are all around just ballers and shot callers.

 
At 11:58 AM , Blogger Tori said...

is that a proposition eddie?

 
At 12:33 PM , Blogger Eddie said...

It may sound like one, but no.

 
At 1:44 PM , Blogger fetching jen said...

Oh My! I love "Fiberal."
I also recently learned "sheeple," to describe the idiots who blindly follow (libs).

Adn Eddie, you are so right; conservative men are the only way to go. They WORK for a living as well.

I'm raising a very conservative male. So far, so good...

Great post Tori.

 
At 1:52 PM , Blogger Tori said...

jen, I cannot take credit for the post, my last boyfriend wrote it.

Somehow, I have never dated a republican....not sure why.

 
At 6:27 PM , Blogger American Idiot said...

tori i think the reason that you have never dated a conservative guy is because you recognize that despite all the meaningless things you may agree on, such as social security and welfare, the main points of a relationship are more personal than that. and say what you want about liberals, but we are clearly more sensitive people. i think eddie said it best when he said:

"Since males tend to be more conservative to begin with in their political views (our hearts are cold)"

his own logic is that more coldhearted and therefore more conservative.

now i know all of you conservatives love country music so lets look at the immortal words of shania: "okay, so you got a car....okay so you're a rocket scientist...that don't impress me much."

 
At 6:34 PM , Blogger American Idiot said...

i have another vocab word for you guys too.

CONSERVATITS: n. (con-serv'-a- tits)
1. males who have massive bitch tits and who more often than not tend to vote republican.
usg. Rush Limbaugh and Karl Rove are two of the biggest CONSERVATITS in America.

2. the actual bitch tits that these slovenly cocksuckers possess.
usg. Rush couldn't help but become aroused when the sweat soaked through Karl's shirt so that he could see the outline of the nipple on Karl's CONSERVATIT.

3. the small breasts typically found on women who vote republican.
usg. Ann Coulter's freakishly small CONSERVATITS were barely visible beneath Rush's large sweaty body.

 
At 6:55 PM , Blogger Ranting Republican said...

Idiot - that last theory of yours holds no water here.

 
At 9:14 PM , Blogger American Idiot said...

which theory is that? are you implying you are large chested? you would be the exception. all the conservative chicks i have seen are just as flat as karl rove isn't.

 
At 9:48 PM , Blogger crossingguard69 said...

Michael Moore, Carl Reiner, ted kennedy...comon, Libs are way fatter, plus. I am a republican male and I have big pecks, not big tits, and so does another republican, I believe he is the gov of california and had the biggest pecks/non bitch tits, the Mr. Olympia competition has ever seen. So basicly Michael Moore is the fattest man in any sort of spotlight, and he is a Dem, and Arnold has the furthest thing from bitch tits out of anybody in the political spotlight, and hes a rep...sweet theory Idiot...plus jessica simpson is a republican and has huge boobs...real too

 
At 10:33 PM , Blogger American Idiot said...

there are always exceptions to every rule. and you can call them pecks (pecs, actually brainiac) but we know they are mantits (conservatits). and if you want to claim jessica simpson as a republican she is all yours. another example of the mental capacity of the typical righty.

and you don't want to start spouting off famous people who are republican cause i got a long list of beautiful actors and musicians and so on who are all liberal. i'd take jolie over simpson every days of the week. you guys can have spears though. i am sure she votes republican. more trailer trash for the GOP.

 
At 10:56 PM , Blogger crossingguard69 said...

your right man I am dumb because I mispelled the short name for a muscle...sorry dude

 
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At 7:58 AM , Blogger American Idiot said...

you are also dumb because you misspelled "misspell."

 
At 8:13 AM , Blogger Tori said...

yeah crossingguard, your 4.0 isn't good enough!

 
At 8:29 AM , Blogger crossingguard69 said...

I know, I should probably drop med school and be a full time blogger like American Idiot...Hey AI, you did not start your sentence with a capital letter and your period came before your second quotation mark, sorry, I guess your dumb too.

 
At 9:20 AM , Blogger Ranting Republican said...

"i'd take jolie over simpson every days of the week."

That's not exactly grammatically correct either.

 
At 9:26 AM , Blogger Ranting Republican said...

my point is that this is stupid - we all make spelling and grammatical errors on this thing...let it go.

 
At 10:09 AM , Blogger Tori said...

Dick Morris has a book out "Hillary vs. Condi"..it looks interesting.

I think Condi would get 50% of the black vote.

 
At 10:32 AM , Blogger Eddie said...

Oh boy, just when I thought we only had TWO to deal with, now AI pipes in. Yes, American idiot, people will make grammatical errors when they write blog entries in haste. It's a fact of life. Certainly as a sensitive panzy ass liberal you can forgive this?

My comment about we conservatives being heartless was tongue in cheek. However, as a brainwashed liberal, you took this as part of your liberal bible.

Congrats, your comments here are probably some of the most ignorant you have written.

 
At 10:34 AM , Blogger Eddie said...

Is Hillary Clinton, American Idiot, the liberal you were referring to as liberals being large chested women? Oh boy, I am sure she can't even see her toes when she looks down!

 
At 1:38 PM , Blogger crossingguard69 said...

Eddie just regulated this blog, nicely done...And perhaps the reason many conservatives are fat is because some of us actually WORK and dont have time to shop for organic foods and do yoga for 4 hours a day while collecting WF checks...not me however, im in school and ripped as shit :)

 
At 2:29 PM , Blogger American Idiot said...

"you did not start your sentence with a capital letter and your period came before your second quotation mark, sorry, I guess your dumb too."

actually, the period does go before the second quotation mark. nice try though. and it is punctuation, not grammar. AND i was just pointing out that it is quite ironic that he misspelled the word "misspell" while trying to be a smart ass. typos are an inescapable part of blogging and typing quickly. but being a smart ass and then being a dumb ass at the same time affords to be pointed out.

and by the way, cg69, i am employed more gainfully than that "4.0 at med school" will ever get you. and still liberal. so lay off the tired liberals don't work theory. that theory was fresh back in '96. come up with something new.

say something sis. get his back. he needs help. maybe uncle eddie can get in on the mix too.

 
At 2:48 PM , Blogger Eddie said...

AI,

Don't you have some gang fight in Philly to attend?

Thanks,
Uncle Eddie

 
At 3:12 PM , Blogger Ranting Republican said...

This is the dumbest commentary ever - TT - please post something new because the comments on this are making me dumber each time I look at your blog.

(luckily for me - I'm pretty damn smart, so it'll take while for me to sink to Idiot's level)

 
At 4:03 PM , Blogger crossingguard69 said...

your job must be sweet to be able to have long blog fights with a student...plus i detect you might be a homosexual

 
At 4:04 PM , Blogger crossingguard69 said...

o and by the way "and still liberal." is a sentence fragment. dude, comon i thought you were better than that, u really let me down

 
At 5:37 PM , Blogger pappy said...

After comming back from Maui the first thing I need to do is to tell you never post a statement like that. If I was you and if you want to stay "pretty much anonymous" I would delete this whole post. Dont worry your anonymity is safe with me.

 
At 5:43 PM , Blogger American Idiot said...

my job is super sweet. i can be online all day long if i wanted to continue fighting with the tori family. the self-described most patriotic, intelligent family on the internet.

 
At 7:51 PM , Blogger crossingguard69 said...

I never said I was extremely patriotic...I just fucking rule

 
At 7:53 PM , Blogger pappy said...

american idiot, you sound like someone who had his heart broken. Get over it

 
At 10:05 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Perfect name "American Idiot"
TOS

 
At 5:32 PM , Blogger Tori said...

i've missed you pappy!!!

 
At 5:33 PM , Blogger Tori said...

pappy, did you scroll down and see those good injury pics?

 
At 9:21 PM , Blogger pappy said...

I saw them ouch!

 

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